[86] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hbd/a/ahithophel.html, [Ahithophel] may have been the grandfather of Bathsheba, Davids partner in sin and wife, [87] https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hdb/e/eliam.html, 1. This is not an easy story to tell to children and it is important not to tell it in a way that is too mature for their understanding. However, Absalom is not named nor is he even hinted at. Using Psalm 55:23, it would mean that Ahithophel could not have gone past the age of 45 years (note again that this is the conservative estimate). The answer comes from Psalm 55:23 (emphasis ours): But you, God, will bring down the wicked into the pit of decay; the bloodthirsty and deceitful will not live out half their days. However, this does not appear to be a reasonable assumption. He identified Ahithophel in the commentary on verse 12: Ahithophels perfidy and villany troubled David more than all the rest., [40] https://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/psalms/55.htm, the general sentiment of commentators has always been that Ahithophel is intended. 7 When Uriah came to him, David asked about the welfare of Joab and the army and how the battle was going. But what if we can use the Bible to reliably estimate the age of another famous female character in the Bible: Bathsheba? So says the Benson Commentary (emphasis ours): Not half so long as men ordinarily live, and as they, by the course of nature, might have lived, and as they themselves expected to live, but shall be cut off by Gods just judgment, by an untimely and violent death.[52]. Son of Ahithophrl and father of Bathsheba (https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/fbd/e/eliam.html). Thus, Solomon was 911 years old at the time of his great-grandfathers death. 23), but of Ahithophels unfaithfulness and the rebellion of Absalom (Chald., the Rabbins, and most interpreters), and indeed not after the outbreak of the rebellion, but shortly before it.. From this rapid survey of the general calamity, David turns to the chief supporter of the rebellion, his former chief counsellor. [32] John Phillips, The John Phillips Commentary Series: Exploring Psalms: An Expository Commentary, Vol. Read 2 Samuel 11:6-25. Examining Quran 9:29 - Does Islam Sanction The Killing Of Christians & Jews? An older king could certainly have a younger counselor, and since early marriages were very common, it is not surprising for a 3040-year-old man to have grandchildren. The Targum is, but thou Ahithophel; of whom the words are literally to be understood, and so they are in the Talmud (u); and mystically and typically of Judas[30], Other commentaries, such as those of Matthew Poole,[31] John Phillips,[32] C. H. Spurgeon,[33] Chuck Smith,[34] E.W. shall not half their days; that is, shall be soon cut off, die in the flower of their age, come to an untimely end [] Absalom and Ahithophel came to tragic and unhappy ends; so did all the primitive persecutors, those cruel crafties.[55], Other commentators also explain the verse this way. First, the account in Chronicles omits the sordid stories of David and Bathsheba and Absaloms revolt, and only mentions some characters in passing, so we do not have much information about Bathsheba, Eliam, or Ahithophel. Was David not praying to God for this to happen? However, we can still estimate her age using the Biblical chronology. Then she returned home. In my view, we should leave it to the experts (e.g., physicians and psychologists) to determine what is an appropriate age for maturity, if there is one. He never kept time or season with God, and surely God will not keep or regard his time or season., In the Jewish account threescore years was the age of a man, and death at any time before that was looked upon as untimely, The more sins we do commit, the more we hasten our own death; because as the wise man saith, The fear of the Lord prolongeth days, but the years of the wicked shall be shortened (Pro 10:27); and the prophet David saith, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; for sin is an epitomiser or shortener of everything: it consumes our wealth, it confines our liberty, it impeaches our health, and it abbreviates our life, and brings us speedily unto our grave., [61] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wen/psalms-55.html#23, But shall be cut off by an untimely and violent death., David was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned forty years., Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty-two years.. Oops, Im sorry, I thought you were Christian. a native of Giloh, was a privy councillor of David, whose wisdom was highly esteemed, though his name had an exactly opposite signification. Because, Im a Sunni Muslim and Im planning to debunk all anti-islamic claims and anti-islamic arguments. [73] Sanhedrin 69b, https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.69b.11?lang=bi. Since Bathsheba could not have been older than 20 at the time (since Ahithophel was 39 years old and Eliam was probably in his late 20s), which means that at the time of Solomons birth, Then King David said to the whole assembly: My son Solomon, the one whom God has chosen, is young [, Based on this seemingly contradictory information, let us follow the, Your argument is based on a selective interpretation of Psalm 55., You are taking Psalm 55:23 too literally!, Maybe people could live even longer than 80 years of age at the time of David! The couple had concluded the marriage contract when Aisha was only six but had waited to consummate the marriage until she reached physical maturity.[103]. It is omitted in the list of 1 Chronicles 11:1-47, but is now probably discernible as AHIJAH the Pelonite (1 Chronicles 11:36) (see Kennicott, Dissertation, p. 207). 6 Then David sent a message to Joab: Send me Uriah the Hittite. So Joab sent Uriah to David. In his commentary, Ibn Kathir stated that the age of marriage coincides with the age of puberty. David asked his servants Wiki User. One of Davids faithful soldiers (2 Samuel 23:39. As stated above, Saul was in his 70s when he died. [72] Sometime after, probably 4 years (2 Samuel 15:7) after reconciling with his father David, Absalom began his rebellion. Based on the example of Barzillai, 80 years seems to have been the upper limit of life in Davids time. Hushai the Arkite was the kings confidant. What did Davids actions cost Bathsheba? As the Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary, Jehoiadas life was protracted to unusual longevity. Less than eight years old. She was eight when she had her first child. (Talmud Tractate Sanhedrin 69b). Was Rebekah 3-10 Years Old When Married Off To Isaac? Absalom summoned Ahithophel to come to Hebron from his hometown of Giloh (hence, Ahithophel was known as the Gilohite). The Biblical character of Bathsheba a bathing woman summoned by King David is brought to life in unbelievable detail! He states that: an arbitrary age cutoff necessarily allows incompetent people to gain rights and privileges they probably shouldnt have.[101]. Hehehe, you guys are really funny. [95] Holmans Bible Dictionary argues that the Chronicler may have confused the title of Helez the Paltite (2 Samuel 23:26) and that Ahijah the Pelonite was a textual corruption. Christians should try to be consistent. Bathsheba had been married before she married David and she is the mother of Others may come to accept the evidence presented but will still attempt to downplay it. I dont think Mohamad was saying he believes those things (?). Both words signify my people is Gods. This son of Achitophel (chap. The next day 13 David called for him, and he ate and drank, and David got him drunk. This is confirmed by most dictionaries, including Smiths Bible Dictionary,[6] the American Tract Society Bible Dictionary,[7] Fausetts Bible Dictionary,[8] the Holman Bible Dictionary,[9] Hastings Bible Dictionary,[10] the Morrish Bible Dictionary,[11] the Peoples Dictionary of the Bible,[12] and the Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological and Ecclesiastical Literature. In fact, Ahithophel is mentioned along with Hushai the Arkite in 1 Chronicles 27:33: Ahithophel was the kings counselor. So, here is a summary about Ahithophel and his role during Davids reign: If Ahithophel was Bathshebas grandfather, then determining his approximate age would allow us to estimate Bathshebas age as well. Despite the loss of Temple Judaism in 70 AD, Redemptive Judeo-Christianity will triumph. How[c] could I go home and eat, drink, and have sex with my wife? Yes, we do believe that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a role-model for all times. He didnt woo her. [60] Wesleys Explanatory Notes also suggests this interpretation but is rather vague. The evidence in question comes from the infamous marriage of David and Bathsheba. To make matters worse, we need to allow at least 18 months (two pregnancies) between Davids first encounter with Bathsheba and Solomons birth (2 Samuel 11), which means that Bathsheba was around 79 years old at the time. The Talmud seems to have underestimated his age at 7 years old. If the historical David (peace be upon him) had indeed married Bathsheba at such a young age (without committing adultery), the marriage would not have been consummated until she was physically mature, which would have been at the onset of puberty. When he realized that Absalom had not taken his advice on how to fight David, Ahithophel knew that the conspiracy against the king would fail. Her father and grandfather were often at the Figure 1: Map showing how far Ahithophel would have travelled in the short-lived coup attempt by Absalom. Web28 Then King David answered, Call Bathsheba to me. So she came into the king's presence and stood before the king. By the way, can you visit my website and comment below about what you think of my articles? This is not the Muslims problem because we do not believe in the Bible as a reliable source of information. Thus, it also means that he was between 4448 years old when he first encountered Bathsheba, who was 79 years old. Moreover, according to the Fausset Dictionary, Ahijah the Pelonite was probably a corruption of text. The Pulpit Commentary adds (emphasis ours): Of course, the statement is not intended for a universal law, and indeed was probably pointed especially at the bloody and deceitful men of whom the psalmist had been speaking. Though this is said to be a prayer of Moses, who probably lived some 250 years before the reign of David, it still finds corroboration in the time of David, since Barzillai was 80 years old at the time of Absaloms revolt, and David himself lived for 70 years. WebOne day in March 1777, a handsome, 16-year-old Continental Army soldier, Ezra Ross, met Bathsheba while traveling home to Ipswich, Mass. As Jonathan Brown explains: the medieval ulama considered the point at which a girl was fit for intercourse to be too varied to be firmly legislated for. According to the chronology of 2 Samuel 1315, two years had passed since Amnon had raped his half-sister Tamar (Absaloms sister),[70] when after killing Amnon, Absalom fled to Geshur, where he lived for 3 years. The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges concurs: Much of the Psalm is sufficiently appropriate to Davids circumstances to account for its having been regarded as an expression of his feelings at that bitter crisis: but a closer examination makes it difficult, if not impossible, to suppose that it was actually written by him. The world was vastly different back then. Even if the psalm itself did not refer to Ahithophel, the verse could still be applied to him, as he was a bloody and deceitful man (from Davids perspective) whose life was violently cut short. 25. Moreover, I showed that when Jesus was a 12-year old boy, his parents took him to the Passover festival, as the law required for boys his age. Even if we grant a new upper limit, 90 years, that does not improve the situation for embarrassed Christian apologists. [5] According to 2 Samuel 23, Eliam was among the Thirty elite warriors under Davids command. A minority of scholars questioned the application of the psalm to Ahithophel. This relationship probably led to Ahithophels disloyalty (2 Samuel 15:12)., [18] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ghe/2-samuel-15.html#1, Ahithophel was very likely the grandfather of Bathsheba, [19] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hcc/2-samuel-11.html#3, The grandfather of Bethsabee is supposed to have revolted against David, to revenge the wrong done to her., [20] https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/2-samuel-23.html#34, Eliam the son of Ahithophel the Gilonite , [ Eliy`aam (Hebrew #463)] omitted in the parallel list of 1 Chronicles 11:1-47; traditionally believed to be the same as the person mentioned, 2 Samuel 11:23 (Jerome, Quaest. Accession Number: 14.40.651. How old was Bathsheba when she first met King David? And David sent and inquired about the woman. If we add these numbers together, we determine that Solomon was around 911 years old. This cannot refer to Absalom. For Davids close counselor and friend, Ahithophel, actually revolted against David when Absalom did. But this is not reasonable. Contrast Bathshebas husband Uriah to Abigails husband Nabal. So 70 - 45 = 25 70 - 50 = 20 Solomon would be 20 to 25 Note that this is the most conservative estimate. Thus, it was not child marriage at the time since maturity tended to occur much earlier than it does now. 54, or of Davids being shut up in Keilah in the time of Saul (1 Sam. The Babylonian Talmud states that (emphasis ours): Bathsheba gave birth to Solomon when she was six, because a woman is stronger and can conceive at an earlier age. For example, Willis Beecher states under the entry Ahithophel in the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (emphasis ours): It is not strange that men have inferred that the son of Ahithophel was the father of Bathsheba. Yes, this is certainly possible, but where is the evidence from the Bible? There is no hint that the writer is a king whose authority is threatened by a formidable insurrection. Not only was this marriage permitted, it resulted in the birth of yet another beloved figure, Solomon. Furthermore, God approved of David remaining married to Bathsheba, which resulted in the birth of Solomon, whom God loved. 0. According to the chronology of 2 Samuel 1315, two years had passed since Amnon had raped his half-sister Tamar (Absaloms sister), Thus, the Talmud sages did not left out the 4 years that went by between Absalom and Davids reconciliation and the beginning of Absaloms revolt. Note that the dictionary does not deny that Ahithophel was Bathshebas granddaughter or that he was the subject of Psalm 55. [] Altogether it seems to us to relate to that mournful era when the King was betrayed by his trusted counsellor., [34] https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/smith_chuck/c2000_Psa/Psa_051.cfm?a=533001, Now David evidently wrote this psalm when he was fleeing from Absalom. Yes, David must have been in his late 30s to his early 40s and Bathsheba would have been young but of age, not an adolescent. Dimensions: 22 1/2 x 30 in. Abigail was David's second wife, after Saul and Ahinoam's daughter, Michal, whom Saul later married to Palti, son of Laish, when David went into hiding. You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. Some Bible dictionaries mention both Eliams without any additional information. Asked about the welfare of Joab and the army and how the battle going. 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