Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. We. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. KATE: I had a great childhood. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. "It's a blur of emotion." Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. David Bagby. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearablebut Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. On November 3, 2001, he broke up with Turner at the airport before putting her on a plane back to Council Bluffs, 1,300 miles away. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Get help and learn more about the design. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. Its rage with me, he says. Oh, my. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. This story broke my heart. For fans of true crime, this is the perfect book for you. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. MORRISON: What do you do about this? She was born to the late th (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Unable to add item to List. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. And this book was okay. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? "We had to do something to channel our rage and sorrow," he says. They sound like wonderful people who were needlessly tortured by a horrible psychopath, It is gut wrenching to read the details and to hear how much both Andrew and David were loved by both David and his wife, Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. You Have Been Warned). Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. I have to be honest, I've stopped reading this at 27%. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Please try again. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. That is not a spoiler, as it is on the back of the book. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Zachary didn't seem like. They're like, `What do you mean?' After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Then, upon. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Would you be willing to turn the gun into your local police department so they could get it to us to let us look at it? In November 2002, when, Zachary was four months old, a Canadian judge ruled that a properly instructed, jury would likely find Shirley Turner guilty and ordered her incarceration, while awaiting a decision from justice officials to surrender her to the, United States. But with special people, yes. In one of the infamous bonfires, David's threesome with two of the single women was shown to Kate. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. I can understand that. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley Turner, well-known among Andrew's friends and family for her one-sided obsession with Bagbyan obsession that led to her driving sixteen hours back to his home after their final breakup the day before Bagby's body was discovered. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. Understood? I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). So I gave her the. Shirley Turner had some startling news. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. Defo a good read. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. Yeah, I mean, I can watch that for sure. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. David can go from nearly shaking in anger when he talks about the murder to almost sobbing in sadness over the memory of his boy. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. As always you can unsubscribe at any time. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Then she killed his brother. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Now, she sucked us in here, too. I said, `Oh, no. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 4, 2017. i read this after seeing the amazing documentary and still felt the rage of the incredible injustice of it all whilst reading it. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. [2] : 494 [3] At the time, Shirley had been released on bail and . It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. His parents were ecstatic. I just want to get through medical school.'. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. I'm tired of this. I was just gone. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Really? Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? He was such a good baby. I couldn't see the point anymore. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. $19.46 2 New from $19.46. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. If. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Neither speaks for the other. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. Mother a murderer. Mr. BAGBY: What a flake. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. I kind of. Though the 1,100-page Turner report says Turner maintained a fairly active social life while she was fighting extradition, the investigations narrative includes a number of signs that some of her personal relations were strained. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. By the time they arrived at Turner's house, Zachary was asleep and Kate and David prepared to leave. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! So he came straight for me. Each decision is subject to appeal. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. I saw the documentaryand I am speechless. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Cpl. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. get a chance to have some of Andrew again. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. She, floored by grief. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. David and Kate Bagby must have been saints to have had to tolerate personal dealings with their only child's murderess,and basically have to groval to her to even see their precious only-ever grandchild.Yet,they did whatever they could for the sake of Zachary.Most people (myself included) would have made away with Shirley Turner the first chance they got.Why should they have even been put in that insane situation in the first place? A variation on glop, adds David, but it was good, often. 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